Wednesday, March 05, 2008

FibDem Clones


The vote on whether or not to have a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty is taking place in the Commons today. Fittingly, Darlington LibDem PPC Mike Barker has posted his thoughts on the Darlington LibDem website. He writes;

"This opinion poll shows huge support for the Liberal Democrat view that people should be given a real say on the big issue of British membership of the EU. People clearly reject the narrow vote that the Conservatives are offering."

Stirring stuff. Now let's see what Derek Deedman, LibDem County Councillor for Bramber Castle in Sussex has to say on the matter;

“This opinion poll shows huge support for the Liberal Democrat view that people should be given a real say on the big issue of British membership of the EU. People clearly reject the narrow vote that the Conservatives are offering."

Wow - it's identical - what are the the odds on that happening? Mike goes on;

"It's time for the Westminster establishment to stop being so cowardly over Europe and have an open debate with the country. The Liberal Democrats would relish the opportunity to put the case to the British people for our wholehearted commitment to the EU."

And here's LibDem Cllr. Mike Cox from Hillingdon making a disturbingly similar point;

"It's time for the Westminster establishment to stop being so cowardly over Europe and have an open debate with the country. The Liberal Democrats would relish the opportunity to put the case to the British people for our wholehearted commitment to the EU."

Taking a template press release and then simply cutting and pasting local details onto it was the kind of thing that brought Labour into disrepute in the late 90's, with cries of 'spin' and 'control freakery', so it's good to see my friends in the LibDems are just as Machiavellian now as we were then. Unfortunately, Mike rather gave the game away when he dramatically gave our local MP a sex change and wrote, "It's still not too late for himto change her mind and join our campaign to give people the real choice on Europe that they want."

Memo to Mike - if your campaign is going to consist of regurgitated press releases from Cowley Street, at least mix it up a little - I will be watching :)

10 comments:

miketually said...

"Unfortunately, Mike rather gave the game away when he dramatically gave our local MP a sex change"

lol

I've seen the same mistake made in references.

Mark Burton said...

At last... something to make me smile ;)

Ian White, Back off Brussels said...

Nick

Were we not promised a public referendum on the EU by Labour?

Yes or No?

Now it looks like a certain No, you all want to back out of a promise, thats what us mere mortals call lying!

Anonymous said...

Alan Macnab writes....

Ireland are having a referendum on the treaty. Why can't Britain?

Anonymous said...

Have you not got anything better to do with your time than slag off other parties? Oviously not.

Mike Barker said...

Bang to rights, guv'ner.

Anonymous said...

Councillor Wallis

John Williams writes
Get a life preferably in Bristol where your sarcasm will be appreciated.

Gordon Brown is well known for using other people's ideas and he's your leader. Have a look at the local scene and maybe then you would realise that the utopian life here that Labour give us needs to be looked at before you start your backstabbing on members of other parties

Darlington Councillor said...

OK Mike - no doubt you'll get your own back sometime soon ;)

Ian & Alan. In a nutshell I don't support a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty because the document is fundamentally different from the Constitution, which Labour promised would be subject to a poll.

Whilst the Constitiution in effect tore up all the previous treaties and started again, the Lisbon Treaty is an amending text, and so no different from the Single European Act or Maastricht which the Tories took through the Houses of Parliament without the whiff of a popular poll. Try reading both texts - you'll see what I mean.

And whereas the SEA for example led to a significant pooling of sovereignty between the EU nations, with the 'red lines' established by the Government on social security or justice and home affairs, for example, this is not the case as far as Lisbon is concerned.

All-in-all, a storm in a tea cup. Whilst Eurosceptics may work themselves up into a lather about it, I'm sure most of the population just turn off. That's why the Tory leadership haven't pressed the "nuclear" button over their opposition to the Treaty, knowing that it will reinforce in voters' minds the view of them as being xenophobic and hopelessly outdated.

How the LibDems ended up in the position of sitting on their hands tonight, prompting the resignation of a number of their own frontbenchers is anyone's guess, however....

As for our 2 anonymous friends - well, I'm afraid that the opposition in Darlington should be prepared to 'take it' as well as 'dish it out'. Or are the Tories and LibDems above all that?

Anonymous said...

Councillor Wallis

You should behave like an adult (if that's possible for a Bristol Rovers supporter) and stop telling us that someone will be "getting his own back".

Most sensible people grow out of that stage at about ten

Ian White, townliar.com said...

Nick

Once again if it (the new treaty) is so fundermentally different, lar, lar, lar, Labour should of had nothing to fear by a referendum, I think we all know what the outcome of that would of been and simply once again the electorate have been lied to, smoke and mirrors, double talk call it what you will we wanted a referendum on Europe what ever name you dress it up in!

Once again the people let down by those elected by them!