Sunday, April 22, 2007

FibDem Campaigning Tactics II

Again from Haughton East, Labour canvassers report from at least 10 different residents that LibDem hopeful Dr Robert Upshall is posting "Sorry we missed you" leaflets through letterboxes on Red Hall without bothering to knock.

I can only suppose (1) LibDems are getting such a poor reception on the doorstep that they're not even trying to make contact with residents now or (2) this is a small but cynical ruse to suggest activity by the LibDems over a wide area. Either way, it's winding local people up.

Whilst we're on the subject of Robert Upshall, I've no doubt that the LibDems thought they were on to a winner when they signed up a local GP from the unelectable Greens who was prepared to stand in one of the Haughton seats. As a rule GP's have a highly-respected reputation in the community. Things may not be going to plan here, however, if this comment on the Town Liar site from Chris Smith (who lives on Red Hall) is anything to go by.

Gotta say ... one of our local candidates will purely not get my vote, as he is also my doctor. Nothing wrong with that, you may think, but if you had ever been inside his surgery it isn't exactly the tidiest of places (files literally EVERYWHERE), and if he can't keep that tidy, imagine what the local area would be like! Plus it would take away from the time he spends at the surgery as well

Nice!

35 comments:

Ian White, townliar.com said...

Well Nick
You've just got poor Chris a months worth of laxatives in his next prescription. But thanks for the "plug"

Anonymous said...

Must say I am glad you brought this subject up Nick because in Hurworth they have done the same thing. Six people I know about said they got the calling card, but no knock on the door. I have not had neither.

Captain Democracy said...

Quite a nasty little site this isn't it Moonface. I would like the people of Haughton West to get to know your real personality rather than the grinning face hiding behind the red rossette they see on New Labours election propaganda.
If they knew what you were really like they would kick you into touch.

Shame Doctor Upshall never chose to stand in Haughton West instead.
Different to you, Doctor Upshall is a very pleasant man who for years has helped the people of the town. He is my GP, I have always been very happy with him and contrary to what your sniping friend said he also runs a very efficient surgery.

Now, shouldn't you be getting on meeting your constituents and telling them how good your policies rather than how bad everyone else is compared to you.

miketually said...

Nick's not exaclty hiding who he is or what he thinks though is he, Captain Democracy? This site shows up on the front page of a Google search for Nick Wallis, so it wouldn't be hard for Haughton West residents (me, for example) to find out exactly what he thinks and says here.

You, on the other hand, are being nicely anonymous, so you can get away with saying what you like. So, who are you, Captain Democracy?

Anonymous said...

Alan Macnab writes:

Nick

The postings by you and Chris Smith about my colleague, Robert Upsall, really are disgraceful. You should establish the true facts before you rush into print. I call on you to withdraw this posting and apologise to Robert.

Personal attacks on opponants turn people off poiticians and politics. Good old knock about politics is not what people want to see or hear. I have seen a lot of cynicism on the doorsteps in the last few weeks. Let's concentrate on policies in the remaining few days of the campaign and treat members of other mainstream parties with dignity and respect.

Darlington Councillor said...

Thanks for that point, Mike.

Just to return to the comment made by anonymous, it's important to remember that almost nothing done by the LibDems when campaigning happens by accident.

Unlike Labour and the Tories, the LibDems have a calculating and traditionally highly-effective campaigning method. I'm no great fan of it, as you will have gathered, as it relies on some highly dubious methods. But from the setting-up of "community groups" which are in fact LibDem front organisations, to the apparently amateurish and therefore "local" leaflets, to the "it's a 2 horse race" message - these are used uniformly by LibDems around the country.

I would guess that using an "out" card as another leaflet is just one more piece in the jigsaw puzzle, giving the impression that the local LibDems had been assiduously knocking on doors (which takes ages) when in fact they were just shoving them through doors.

Darlington Councillor said...

On Alan's comment: -

Chris' point on the Liar is hardly disgraceful - it's simply an observation about his experience of his GP's organisation (or lack of it). You and Dr Upshall are going to have to toughen up, Alan, if you think those comments are out of order, and you want to be public figures in the near future.

The point that electing him as a councillor could take him away from his duties as a GP seems entirely fair comment to me.

Anonymous said...

There is no slander against Dr Upshall - his office has been a mess every time I've attended him, his bedside manner is rather stand-offish, as its in my experience that when I have seen him, he sits there and doesn't examine you or take into account the full details of the reason of the visit.

I'm sure the guy will be very good if elected, because he has got the responsibility of the whole practice in his stride, so I'm sure he will do likewise as a councillor.

Since when in this free-speaking country are people not allowed to voice their own opinions? For all we know, Chris Smith has had a bad experience whilst visiting Dr Upshall.

Captain Democracy said...

Anonymous said...
There is no slander against Dr Upshall - his office has been a mess every time I've attended him, his bedside manner is rather stand-offish, as its in my experience that when I have seen him, he sits there and doesn't examine you or take into account the full details of the reason of the visit.

BULLSHIT!

Chris Smith said...

Now, now, Captain... anonymous has made their comments, as did I. I made my remarks about previous experiences that I have had with the doctor - you can call it bullshit if you so wish, but they are my experiences that I have encountered over several years, and I will stand by them.

An earlier posting by an anonymous (with reference to Alan MacNab) asked for these comments to be withdrawn and apolgies given. I will not do this, as I have already said, these are my findings of the man in his chosen profession. I am not asking you if you agree or disagree, I am purely giving my opinions and experiences into words for others to read.

I also stand by my comment regarding the amount of time Doctor Upshall spends at the surgery. Whenever I have been there to see him over the past 2 years, he has not been available, and I have been referred to (usually) one of the locums.

On another note, also agreeing with the previous anonymous (posted 22/04 @ 21:31), regarding his bedside manner... I went to see him regarding a vasectomy. My youngest daughter at the time was 6 months old, and he made a passing comment that I may wish to wait until she had reached 1 year, for a better chance of her surviving. I'm sorry, but I went to see him about being responsible regarding long-term contraception, not to hear the life expectancy of my youngest!!

Anonymous said...

why all of a sudden has moon face decided to jump on the band waggon and call robert upshall, whats the matter, is labour that frightend of a bit of competition, are labour running scared.

TRUTH SEEKER

miketually said...

Who is Captain Democracy? Is he faster than a speeding bullet?

ian holme said...

For me, the local elections mean just one thing, Who is the best person to represent me in council?

If my GP were standing, i would base my opinion on my personal experience of the GP. But I am sure that any GP would have the organisational skill to marry his work and council responsibilities in a sensible manner.

I am not interested in other peoples perception of an individual, we are all capable of making up our own minds. I am much more interested in knowing if the candidate has the "balls" to take a position against that of his own party, if it is in the best interest of his ward, and indeed the town as a whole.

My own experince shows very few (if any) of the current labour councillors are prepared to do this, and fear the tories are little better.

I suggest a little less "party" and rather more "person" based politics would win back a good few votes.

Anonymous said...

I have allways found DR upshall to be a very good doctor, if it hadnt been for him my son would have died, hes more than capable of being a councillor and running a surgery,so what if his rooms untidy,it hasnt stopped him doing a good job has it.I would like to meet captin democracy he talks a lot of sense.

Darlington Councillor said...

Hmmmm... I wonder if Captain Demnocracy wears his pants outside his tights?

Anonymous said...

Would cllr wallis be suggesting that captin democracy be supper man!, we could do with someone to save us from dasterly laboour.

Captain Democracy said...

Hey look Moonface you can't even spell Democracy - Bet Dr Upshall can!

Captain Democracy said...

On the subject of Doctors I bumped into Lyonette doing election work on Wylam Avenue yesterday afternoon. He looks old and not exactly in the rudest of health. I predict a by election in Haughton West in the foreseeable future - if the lumpen continue with their inherited voting habits.

I recommend that all parties keep up the pressure and continue leafleting in Haughton West after the election until the predicted by election comes.

miketually said...

You're a cheery soul aren't you, Captain Democracy?

Darlington Councillor said...

I think we all have a measure of the kind of character "Captain Democracy" is...

In fact David Lyonette is a babe in arms compared to some of the councillors retiring at this election. He's in rude health, and will be around for many years to come.

CD should have said "begin" rather than "continue" leafletting as only Labour to date has been communicating with residents...

ian holme said...

The tories have been campaigning in Hurworth. One of their reps (not the candidates) knocked on my door and handed me a leaflet. He said something along the lines of "there you go, another piece of paper to add to the pile. At least you cant say we didnt call" and then scurried off!

Presumably they are trying to head off the sort of bad publicilty your blog has been giving regarding the alledged lib-dem campaigning practices.

I was disapointed that he was obviously unwilling to engage at all. One of my votes is still up for grabs, but tory chances are diminishing by the minute.

Still, cant wait for the labour campaign to kick off in Hurworth........and wait...................oh well, theres always next time, eh nick?

Darlington Councillor said...

Sounds like the Tory charm offensive is in full swing...

It's certainly a strange tactic to spend time knocking on the door and waiting for the householder to answer, to then only hand over a leaflet.

The Labour battlebus is of course revving its engines as I speak.

By the way, I don't think that the bad news for the LibDems has entirely finished...

Sion said...

You can't leave it there Nick!
Sion

Anonymous said...

Come on nick what other bomb do you think you have, or is this just scare tactics from a the labour muck raker, we eagerly await. TRUTH SEEKER.

ian white, townliar.com said...

Dont be revving that battle bus to hard you'll be poluting the town, Mike wont be happy, perhaps you should campaign on bikes?

Anonymous said...

Some of them will need a bike soon, to go looking for a job.

Anonymous said...

Will the bad news for the Lib Dems be going public Nick. Can you enlighten us.

miketually said...

"perhaps you should campaign on bikes?"

I know of at least one candidate who cycles from his house to the ward and one Councillor who is a keen mountain biker, so campaigning on bikes isn't as daft as it might sound.

In fact, it's a very good way to be seen round and about, compared to a much more anonymous car.

Mark Burton said...

Here's one for you Mike "A man who, beyond the age of 26, finds himself on a bus can count himself as a failure". I wonder who said that?

miketually said...

Did she also snatch milk?

I prefer H.G. Wells: "When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race."

Loads more where that came from:

"The bicycle is the most civilized conveyance known to man. Other forms of transport grow daily more nightmarish. Only the bicycle remains pure in heart." ~Iris Murdoch, The Red and the Green

"When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments. Here was a machine of precision and balance for the convenience of man. And (unlike subsequent inventions for man's convenience) the more he used it, the fitter his body became. Here, for once, was a product of man's brain that was entirely beneficial to those who used it, and of no harm or irritation to others. Progress should have stopped when man invented the bicycle." ~Elizabeth West, Hovel in the Hills

miketually said...

Where those came from: http://www.quotegarden.com/bicycling.html

Anonymous said...

Anonymous writes....

Mike. Maggie cleared up the mess left by Labour.

ian white, townliar.com said...

Mike said
"The bicycle is the most civilized conveyance known to man"
and here's me thinking it was the new Bentley!

Mike also said
"Campaigning on a bike is not as daft as it sounds"
Are you sure?

miketually said...

A Bentley? How vulgar!

ian white, townliar.com said...

Sorry Mike, I,ll trade it in for a smart car! or even a bike.